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Posted 18-01-2017 at 12:44
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"Wally's £7billion+ Deposited within Banks"
Are you kidding? Bibi offered £1T.
http://ijr.com/2015/03/262242-get-know-bibi/
We're negotiating Now.
"Dig", G-D
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.828.0#g852.0
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.852.0
It appears to have been set up by a group called "Stonehenge Alliance".
Unfortunately, it's not easy to identify who this group are.
http://stonehengealliance.org.uk/our-campaign/about-us/
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Reading List for Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department for Transport), who turned down Wally's £7+ billion Deposited within Banks. ...
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Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department for Transport), he turned down Wallies' £7+ Billion Deposited within Banks. ...
5. Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge by Anonymous
G. Willy Wally mate, The Archaeologists have Failed Stonehenge! Soon to be Destroyed because of Them! ...
6. Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge by GarryDenke
"7,000,000,000 people" Total Signatures (to date) 23,918 in UK 1,967 outside UK ---------------- 25,885 Signatures (total) of 7,000,000,000 pe...
7. Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge by Anonymous
That heavy stuff at the end I like. Oddball's wisdom is heavy stuff....
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9. Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge by GarryDenke
Why don't you Dig how Beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something Righteous and Hopeful for a change? https://www.youtub...
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Nice video. Here's what She said: Stonehenge has roughly 1,000,000 visitors per year. Earth's population is roughly 7,000,000,000 people. Stonehenge Allian...
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Reading List for Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department for Transport), who turned down Wally's £7+ billion Deposited within Banks. ...
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Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department for Transport), he turned down Wallies' £7+ Billion Deposited within Banks. ...
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G. Willy Wally mate, The Archaeologists have Failed Stonehenge! Soon to be Destroyed because of Them! ...
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"7,000,000,000 people" Total Signatures (to date) 23,918 in UK 1,967 outside UK ---------------- 25,885 Signatures (total) of 7,000,000,000 pe...
17. Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge by Anonymous
That heavy stuff at the end I like. Oddball's wisdom is heavy stuff....
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Why don't you Dig how Beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something Righteous and Hopeful for a change? https://www.youtub...
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<< Sites under Threat Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge
Submitted by Andy B on Monday, 23 February 2015 Page Views: 3810
StonehengeCountry: England County: Wiltshire Type: Henge
Internal Links: Go to our Henge home pageGo to our Wiltshire home page
Image: Stonehenge Landscape-study area. submitted by Orpbit
Stonehenge Landscape-study area. Save Stonehenge World Heritage Site, no further damage should be done to the archaeological landscape of Stonehenge. Future generations would be appalled at those who decided that road widening should be at the expense of England’s most iconic World Heritage Site.
If A303 widening at Stonehenge is felt to be essential it should be done by means of a deep bored tunnel at least 4.5km long. Anything shorter would cause irreparable damage to this landscape, and is in breach of the World Heritage Convention.
Why is this important?
The Government proposes to widen the A303 trunk road to the south west. This road crosses the iconic Stonehenge World Heritage Site (WHS), which has been called “the most archaeologically significant land surface in Europe”. The whole site, extending to beyond the horizons around the famous stones themselves, is c. 5.4 km across. All of it makes up a “huge ancient complex” that holds many secrets yet to be discovered.
The proposal is to put the road into a tunnel where it passes the stones, but the tunnel would be at most only 2.9 km long. This would result in at least 1.6 km of above-ground 21st-century road engineering within the WHS, consisting of new dual carriageway descending in massive trenches to the tunnel portals and possibly a new underpass with slip roads on the western WHS boundary.
All archaeology in the construction zones would be destroyed and the A303 would become the largest ever human intervention in an area fashioned and revered by over a hundred generations of our ancestors.
The whole Stonehenge landscape has an outstanding universal value that is of immense significance for all people for all time, and this transcends any consideration of sorting out a 21st century part-time traffic jam.
Click here for the petition for those living in the UK and here for everyone else.
National Trust members (and others) may like to contact the National Trust to ask why they have changed long-held beliefs about protecting the landscape around Stonehenge to allow the irreparable damage that a short tunnel would cause to the World Heritage Site.
Note: the campaign is not connected with Richard 'Orpbit', whose illustration of the wider area around Stonehenge we used to illustrate the article (see comment below).
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
http://youtu.be/HaTYviSTSfk
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
Nice video.
Here's what She said:
Stonehenge has roughly 1,000,000 visitors per year.
Earth's population is roughly 7,000,000,000 people.
Stonehenge Alliance has roughly 24,000 signatures.
24,000 against?
It's over.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
The Megalithic Portal has 19,059 registered members.
Only ten (10) have Posted here. What's that tell you?
It's over.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
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Why don't you Dig how Beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something Righteous and Hopeful for a change?
"Dig", Oddball
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
That heavy stuff at the end I like.
Oddball's wisdom is heavy stuff.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
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"7,000,000,000 people"
Total Signatures (to date)
23,918 in UK
1,967 outside UK
----------------
25,885 Signatures (total)
of
7,000,000,000 people
=
Short Tunnel
"Dig"
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 17 January 2017
G. Willy Wally mate,
The Archaeologists have Failed Stonehenge!
Soon to be Destroyed because of Them!
https://mikepitts.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/where-was-the-stonehenge-festival/
Wallies of Wessex save Stonehenge!
We need you Wallies of Wessex!
Sir Walter Wally
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary
(Department for Transport), he turned down
Wallies' £7+ Billion Deposited within Banks.
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/stonehenge-tunnel-archaeology-chief-raises-concerns/10016430.article
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2016-03-01c.273.0&u=3440#c34175
Not our Fault!
Mike Parker Pearson
Mike Heyworth
Mike Pitts
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.828.0#g852.0
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.852.0
"Wally's £7billion+ Deposited within Banks"
Are you kidding? Bibi offered £1T.
http://ijr.com/2015/03/262242-get-know-bibi/
We're negotiating Now.
"Dig", G-D
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Are you enjoying your conversation with yourself Garry? (we can see...) (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
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Are you enjoying your conversation with yourself Garry? (we can see...)
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Saturday, 14 January 2017
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I didn't know that the Megalithic Portal is a "billboard" for freemasonry.
[Admin note. It's most certainly not, offensive content has been removed]
The links provided don't relate to any information or publication regarding the tunnel proposal that I could find either directly or within a reasonable time of searching. In short a bloody waste of time.
As regards my image at the start of this subject, Andy would you please put an asterisk against my name so that it clearly links to the disclaimer at the end, which might also be emphasised by emboldening.
I know it's a prickly issue, but behaving like *****s is hardly good advertising for the Portal.
Cheers [Admin note. Requested emboldening done R.]
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, 14 January 2017
We got your Deal Done and you Complain?
IT IS DONE, 5.5 km (3.42 mi)
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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i) I didn't ask you to speak on my behalf!
ii) Where's the plan showing the exact position of the tunnel and the two portals!
iii) and showing which of Options 1 or 2 has been agreed!
3.4 miles - Big Deal! Obviously there's an assessment to go with it including the trade offs with the official proposals, or just a Freemasonic whim because it's 5.5 km!
At this moment in time the evidence suggests that I've been involved in more EIA's and LVIA's, including major road schemes in consultation with the Highways Agency, than you've had hot dinners.
So to add to my previous comments all I've seen is a load of aurochs.
Bye bye.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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Highways Agency? Where have you been?
It's crunch time, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Highways England, draft, Git 'r Done!
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/highways-agency
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/highways-england
Oy, oy. Richard, bye.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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Read what I said again:
"...I've BEEN involved..." - it was then "Highways Agency". I didn't say that I am involved currently - I fully retired before the change in name in 2015. There have been, equally, so many changes in name across the board of the many "agencies" I had consultations with directly. When I make my comments, of course it will be addressed to Highways England.
So as far as direct involvement is concerned - on the ground - you've been nowhere!
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
30 years of Taxpayers money Wasted
Best wishes in Your retirement, Enjoy
https://twitter.com/HighwaysEngland
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
My Real Name is Offensive?
You kids are on your own.
The Deal is Off. Bye bye.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Runemage on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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Could I please ask that no-one responds to inflammatory posts, both by named individuals and anonymous contributors.
Many Thanks, Rune.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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Thank you Rune for the emboldening. Mind - wouldn't it be better just to close this item. I had already pulled out of this nonsense having started with a perfectly serious post requesting explanation. Obviously the misinterpretation of my stating "Agency" had to be corrected.
BTW, the original ***** was "Friar" as in Mendicant Friar. I think Gollum would have guessed instantly that it was meant as a riddle. These days people don't take the word of preachers, but seek educated argument. That opportunity wasn't taken. No more to be said.
Cheers.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, 12 January 2017
I did not Hear from you,
So plans Now final.
Stonehenge tunnel plans finalised by government
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-38589118
Chris Grayling gives go-ahead to road tunnel under Stonehenge
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/12/stonehenge-a303-tunnel-chris-grayling-world-heritage-site
Stonehenge tunnel given green light after nearly 30 years of delays
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/stonehenge-tunnel-given-green-light-nearly-30-years-delays/
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Thursday, 12 January 2017
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Would it be possible to expand a bit on these comments:
i) "My next action will be a surprise to all concerned." (Anonymous-14 November 2016) and
ii) your latest post, "I did not Hear from you, So plans Now final."
All very cryptic to me - in keeping with the "Anonymous" poster!
Also:
http://www.sarsen.org/
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, 13 January 2017
Only hope Now at a Longer tunnel Yearlings: Also:
http://stonehengealliance.org.uk/ [Content edited. Admin]
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Saturday, 14 January 2017
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Everyone knows that it was moved to Ynysybwl!
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=6250&forum=4&start=0
Except for one *****, apparently!
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
Ynysybwl's been cored; Nothing there.
Please define 'one *****,' Thank you.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Runemage on Sunday, 15 January 2017
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Repeating myself...
Could I please ask that no-one responds to inflammatory posts, both by named individuals and anonymous contributors.
Many Thanks, Rune.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
My Real Name is Offensive?
You kids are on your own.
The Deal is Off. Bye bye.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Monday, 16 January 2017
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-12b.453.6&s=A303#g453.8
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2016-03-01c.273.0&u=3440#c34175
Herewith invitation for you to Join our site
And post your Thoughts on this Quagmire
Welcome to the Conversation
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, 16 January 2017
Get involved. Sign petitions. Ur help needed. Sign up today.
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Short video by Tom Holland boosts Stonehenge tunnel campaign (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Tuesday, 15 November 2016
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The Stonehenge Alliance write: Our campaign to stop further damage to the landscape of Stonehenge with a short tunnel has been given a fantastic boost by our supporter Tom Holland, historian, author and broadcaster. He urges viewers to support the Stonehenge Alliance, saying
"Moving the A303 into a tunnel would be a catastrophe. An act of vandalism that would shame our country and our generation.”
The UK Government’s road building plans are at a pre-consultation stage but Highways England has written to Stonehenge Alliance saying that their working assumption is to build a 2.9 km (1.8 mile) tunnel.
The location of tunnel portals is not yet confirmed but the tunnel would lie within the World Heritage Site. This is the time to influence Government. Watch the video here http://stonehengealliance.org.uk/short-video-created-for-campaign/
Can you encourage others to take action?
http://stonehengealliance.org.uk/our-campaign/petition/
Best wishes and many thanks for your support,
The Stonehenge Alliance
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Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, 14 November 2016
I sent Highways England a much cheaper alternative to a tunnel. They turned it down flat. My next action will be a surprise to all concerned.
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Tuesday, 15 November 2016
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Pray do tell - preferably this time not with your phone number...
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, 14 January 2017
Knights Templar: Knight Grand Cross of the Temple
"The Pagan Tunnel" of Wilts: 5.5 km (3.42 mi)
http://www.ugle.org.uk/
http://www.pglwilts.org.uk/
IT IS DONE
Albert Frederick Arthur George Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Supreme Council: 33º Ancient and Accepted Rite
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Saturday, 14 January 2017
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Complete Agreement
https://twitter.com/ugle_grandlodge
https://twitter.com/wiltspgl
https://twitter.com/stonehenge_6114
5.5 km (3.42 mi)
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/15018379.A303_Stonehenge_tunnel_will_go_ahead__minister_confirms/
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/15018425.A303__will_be_moved_into_tunnel_near_Stonehenge/
G, we still good? Al
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 January 2017
Swampy, Billy, Walter, Mike, Pencil, Chico,
Fuzzy, Luke, Bobby, Fingers, & Buddy, Al
No worries. I've got this.
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Re: Viable alternative to a tunnel (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Monday, 16 January 2017
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Nick the Trowel
(draughtsman)
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Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Monday, 28 September 2015
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Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb
Does the Government plan “to implement a tunnel for the A303 in order to avoid the entire surface area of the Stonehenge part of the World Heritage Site?”
Have they “sought, or been given, the advice of the National Committee of the International Council on Monuments and Sites concerning proposals for dualling the A303 through the Stonehenge part of the World Heritage Site; and if so, what advice have they received?”
Do they intend “fully to honour Article 4 of the 1972 Convention Concerning the Protection of the World’s Heritage in respect of any future A303 dualling scheme at Stonehenge; and if not, whether they intend to withdraw as a signatory to the World Heritage Convention?”
Not answered yet.
With thanks to
https://heritageaction.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/stonehenge-three-incisive-questions-in-parliament/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Monday, 16 January 2017
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2015-09-17.HL2379.h
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2015-09-17.HL2380.h
Baroness Neville-Rolfe
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
This Government will continue to honour its obligations under article 4 of the World Heritage Convention regarding the Stonehenge and Avebury World Heritage Site. We are committed to working with UNESCO and its advisory bodies to ensure that the Outstanding Universal Value of the World Heritage Site is taken into consideration in any forthcoming road scheme. We will be closely monitoring the development of any such scheme as it progresses.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2015-09-17.HL2384.h
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King George VI Freemasonry
Complete Agreement
Traffic flows on the A303 between Amesbury and Winterbourne Stoke
(the section including Stonehenge) are above capacity of the road.
The Highways Agency has determined the A303 road unsafe.
https://twitter.com/ugle_grandlodge
https://twitter.com/wiltspgl
https://twitter.com/stonehenge_6114
Tunnel 5.5 km (3.42 mi)
IT IS DONE 33º
Great Architect of the Universe
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.archaeology/LZyumDzVQJw
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/uk.religion.pagan/PB10Q1ltuig
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.druid/CbIKNK1wTOc
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.wicca/PPnGgLoDMDs
Knights Templar: Knight Grand Cross of the Temple
"The Pagan Tunnel" of Wilts: 5.5 km (3.42 mi)
http://www.ugle.org.uk/
http://www.pglwilts.org.uk/
IT IS DONE 33º
Albert Frederick Arthur George Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Supreme Council: 33º Ancient and Accepted Rite
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http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/15018425.A303__will_be_moved_into_tunnel_near_Stonehenge/
http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/15018379.A303_Stonehenge_tunnel_will_go_ahead__minister_confirms/
Provincial Grand Lodge of Wiltshire voted FOR "The Pagan Tunnel"
5.5 km (3.42 mi), AGAINST "The Druid Tunnel", and AGAINST
"The Wiccan Tunnel". Complete Agreement by all Masons
http://www.pglwilts.org.uk/
IT IS DONE 33º
Howard Hughes
Roland Totera
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http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/are-there-really-plans-build-tunnel-under-stonehenge-007363
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, 16 January 2017
G,
She gonna Sign or is She gonna Spit in face?
Al
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Monday, 16 January 2017
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My guess Is that She again Spat right in your face.
Al, that's what kids do. 'You're talking £7 bills, Eek'
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, 16 January 2017
£7bn? no way. £2.8bn, tops.
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/royal/elizabeth_the_second
Offer not accepted. Yea, offer too low.
Ye, £24T, Al
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Are you enjoying your conversation with yourself Garry? (we can see...) (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
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Are you enjoying your conversation with yourself Garry? (we can see...)
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Re: Questions in Parliament about the proposed short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, 19 January 2017
Global BP's
http://www.global-bp.com/
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64 bytes from 97.99.225.68: icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=151 ms Swampy
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& Nick the Trowel
Draftsman
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Mishkan 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone, UK (we can see...) (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, 19 January 2017
Mishkan 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone, UK (we can see...)
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Re: Mishkan 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone, UK (we can see...) (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Thursday, 19 January 2017
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Wallies of Stonehenge, thanks.
"British Archaeologists could not find My Ark
of My Covenant if they tripped over it." G-D
Wallies of Wiltshire, thanks.
G-D
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Mishkan 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone, UK (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, 19 January 2017
The Great Architect of the Universe
http://www.perenco-uk.com/
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64 bytes from 97.99.225.68: icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=151 ms Swampy
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Great Architect of the Universe
Wytch Farm you at?
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Re: Mishkan 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone, UK (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Thursday, 19 January 2017
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I am at Baby Dolls. Why you working?
http://www.babydolls.com/
IT IS DONE, G-D
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, 28 August 2015
We need to protect our Ancient Monuments and the area surrounding them. They bare too important.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, 16 March 2015
Ancient sites should be left untouched!
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Orpbit on Sunday, 08 March 2015
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for posting my image of the landscape study area. My immediate reaction was that it perhaps gives the impression of my being involved in the campaign - "submitted by Orpbit" followed immediately by "Save Stonehenge World Heritage Site..."! I know that was not the intention but, nonetheless it remains a possibility should people not read in greater depth.
I was aware of a campaign building up, but took my eye off this particular "ball" until your post. As a result I have been rethinking my intentions as regards the placement, in terms of the sequence of publishing my researches, of my studies in identifying a defined "sacred space" in the landscape around the Stonehenge monument.
The results of those studies are directly pertinent to the increasingly polarised views about the tunnel. To clarify, the area I encircled in the image is actually part of a wider area of diameter 6.1 kilometers (3.8 miles), measured through the centre of the monument. Although a rough figure, anyone using Google Earth can speculate as to what the line of the bigger circle actually passes through. I'm not going to elaborate here, rather I should make it clear that the "sacred space" which I defined was entirely CALCULATED out of various aspects of my studies, rather than just a guess using the disposition of known features.
In short I have scientifically defined a space, which is the material expression, as I see it, of the state of scientific knowledge and/or its translation into a "sacred space" within which there would have been rigid rules for the creation of other features such as the many burial mounds and their groupings, not to mention a rationalle behind the creation of the Greater Cursus.
The important issue here is that there is only one published precedence, that I'm aware of, which comes anywhere close to the method that I employed, and this was published after I had already identified the main principle. Contact with the author of that publication, who is a well known archaeologist, has not materialised into any exchange of dialogue at present.
As a result, and bearing in mind that the extent of the area I defined is even greater, at 6.1 km diameter, than even the longer preferred stated length of tunnel by some campaigners, raises the issue of the "precautionary principle"(http://www.precautionaryprinciple.eu/). I have therefore put my publishing strategy on temporary hold while I am considering as to whether, when, how, and to what depth I should publish out of the original sequence to cover this more urgent issue.
I do have a personal view. As a landscape professional much of my work revolved around advising the planning function on the environmental impact of development proposals, which included representing the local authorities that I worked for, and included major roadwork proposals. I have no fears, therefore, as regards the seriousness of consideration and appropriate actions resulting therefrom, as to safeguarding whatever features were likely to be affected by such proposals. Nevertheless, this proposal is clearly unique in many significant ways. As such I had come to the conclusion that there should be no disturbance either above ground or below ground, within the extent of the "sacred space" that I have identified.
I am not inclined to join any campaigning group. I believe that I should put my views of potential impact of future studies/discoveries which might be irreversibly damaged by premature development by way of the current tunnel proposal. The question of how long one should wait before building a tunnel, whatever its length, arises. The answer, I suppose, depends on whether one is convinced that this is the only option available.
I have decided now that I will publish out of my original sequence, but not yet the other parameters. Whether or not the method I employed is received with any scientific credibility and which might influence the detail of the proposal, remains to be seen.
Richard
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Sunday, 08 March 2015
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Thanks Richard, good point, the attribution isn't always clear on images vs text. I have added a note to the effect that the campaign is not connected with yourself. We'll look forward to seeing what you have to publish.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by jonm on Thursday, 26 February 2015
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"All archaeology in the construction zones would be destroyed and the A303 would become the largest ever human intervention in an area fashioned and revered by over a hundred generations of our ancestors."
Almost all areas in Britain have been fashioned, to some extent or other, by over a hundred generations.
Other than to a minority of people in recent generations, the 'reverence' angle is not known to be true: Starting about four centuries back, wealthy people took an interest in this particular monument's purpose. This past-time became very popular.
No significant discoveries have been made about this 'start-up' monument's purpose and many professional archaeologists have gone into print declaring that no discovery of this type is likely. So the claim that there is anything left worth protecting appears to be dismissed by the experts.
There may be a few problems with the key selling points of this petition.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by tripleransom on Thursday, 26 February 2015
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i see we Americans are not the only ones to destroy our heritage in the name of "progress".
I have visited Stonehenge twice and each time it was one of the highlights of my trip to England. The first time was in the late 1960's when the site was still relatively undisturbed. I took a train from London, then a coach and finally walked from the nearest town. I eventually arrived late in the afternoon. At that time, I was able to walk in among the great stones and look down over the Salisbury Plain. I was quite alone there and it was an incredible experience which still gives me goosebumps even after all these years.
By my second visit 10 years later, the roadway and carpark were already intrusive enough to lessen the experience. I shudder to think what this new roadway "improvement" will do to the ambience of this incredibly impressive site.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 February 2015
Please don''t spoil this neolithic wonder!
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 February 2015
Please leave Stonehenge alone. If there has to be road widening do it sensitively with a tunnel long enough to protect the stones.
If it all about cost that is simply ridiculous.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
Please do not damage Stonehenge any more. It is one of the most important sites in the world. It's a house hold name and should not be turned into an eye sore. The noise from the cars is already a huge problem. It looks like you are trying to destroy one of the world’s most sacred sites. Would you do this to a church?!
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by arthurthegnome on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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I'm going to make myself unpopular by saying that, there's probably enough grass verge to widen the road and that I'm against a tunnel because I believe the best view of the stones is from the A303 and all the redevelopment is just to increase English Heritage's profits. Heritage have already ruined the ambience of the stones by restricting access and charging admission (under the excuse that they would get worn away by people touching them, even though there was free access 1000s of years and far worse was done by local farmers and the MOD). Best compromise, leave the road as it is and let the rest of us enjoy something for free, there isn't much in these monetarist era.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
I'm furious about this, put your tunnel elsewhere other than where you are planning. Earth Geometrix.
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Re: Let Stonehege be (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
I've not had the opportunity to visit this famous site and will be greatly saddened if it's harmed in any way during the construction of a road.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Goedog on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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I was appalled about the proposal for a tunnel at Stonehenge from the time I first heard of the idea, because of the immense destruction the engineering works would cause.
If there has to be a tunnel, then it needs to be deep bored for a much longer distance to keep well clear of Stonehenge and the surrounding countrysite.
Martin Hughes
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
Hi Mike here,
Author of Stonehenge, Stone Circles and Stone Age Numbers
I feel Stonehenge deserves the best of solutions and new lights and noise are not what is required
Mike Green
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Britishfootpaths on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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We write walking guide books for Americans to explore the English countryside on your world renown path and B&B system.
Please reconsider any plans for construction of a short tunnel at Stonehenge.
Our thousands of followers will thank you for retaining the good views of this ancient sight.
Thank you.
FrednDonna Austin
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by golux on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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This plan to build a tunnel is intended to improve and protect the appearance of Stonehenge and its surroundings. I don't think your "thousands of followers" will prefer to see a busy trunk road running past the stones, as is the case at present. Why on earth are you objecting to a tunnel which will only improve the "good views of this ancent sight" (sic)?
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by golux on Monday, 23 February 2015
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It is my understanding that ground-breaking (in the literal sense) construction work is usually preceded by an archaeological survey and access is allowed for archaeologists to examine anything of interest before the ground is disturbed. Anything of interest that turns up during construction is similarly offered for archaeological examination and in this way roadworks or house-building actually encourage archaeology. This is certainly the normal practice in the northeast of Scotland (in fact it is mandatory, at least in some circumstances) so why do you say "All archaeology in the construction zones would be destroyed"?
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Monday, 23 February 2015
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Well OK, by that argument you may as well excavate out the whole WHS, build houses on it and have the stones as a nice garden feature in the middle.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by golux on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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I am not arguing, I am asking the question: why you say "All archaeology in the construction zones would be destroyed"? As I explained, I would expect this kind of construction work to discover and recover the archaeology, not destroy it. I have seen instances of valuable archaeology being recovered by this process with my own eyes. If you have reasons to believe that the normal procedures to safeguard archaeology would not be followed then let's have them.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by Andy B on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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I'm sure all the usual pre-development archaeology stuff would be done but that's not exactly the point, I'll rephrase: by that logic you may as well excavate out the whole WHS...
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by golux on Tuesday, 24 February 2015
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I am simply pointing out that the statement above ("All archaeology in the construction zones would be destroyed") is not true. Some of the objections to the tunnel seem to me quite unfounded; now it seems that one of them is at best a silly exaggeration, this makes the whole case look even weaker. Why you would think that my questioning one obvious flaw in the case is equivalent to advocating the wholesale destruction of the WHS, I don't know, - is this more wild hyperbole?
The argument over how to stop the A303 intruding on Stonehenge has been going on for as long as I can remember. Finally a solution is proposed which will hide the offending road and which seems to answer most of the objections. If the remaining objectors are now reduced to such flimsy arguments as this then they are going to lose, and rightly so.
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 February 2015
The objectors' arguments are not flimsy, nor are they ignorant of visual concerns. Indeed they need to be resolved.
To remind you, the petition ends by stating: "If A303 widening at Stonehenge is felt to be essential it should be done by means of a deep bored tunnel at least 4.5km long. Anything shorter would cause irreparable damage to this landscape, in breach of the World Heritage Convention." This is consistent with the National Trust's former position, which very sadly they have abandoned.
The World Heritage Site is upheld by the World Heritage Convention principally article 4 http://whc.unesco.org/en/conventiontext/ which asks for financial measures to be taken sufficient to undertake the necessary improvements for the WHS even if it means an international appeal. If this Convention is breached due to permanent damage inflicted, then there will be a risk to the WHS status.
We also need to be aware that the recent Blick Mead discoveries are on the WHS boundary and might be vulnerable to more than just the tunnel. So the 4.5km reference might no longer be appropriate to properly safeguard the WHS.
True, archaeologists frequently rely on the opportunity afforded by development to piece together our past. But this is not the reason to build a short bored tunnel! It is short bored in order to save money and to restore only a portion of the Stonehenge landscape, ignoring the Outstanding Universal Value of the whole.
No doubt you will be aware that ICOMOS-UK, advisor to UNESCO, has written to the Secretary of State for Transport, warning him of the risks to the WHS.
Ultimately you, NT, EH and government, need to decide whether it is worth risking the outstanding universal value of the WHS.
Speaking for myself, I share the frustrations about the reluctance to do the best for Stonehenge WHS. The delays have not been caused by the objectors. If only Government had done the right thing in the first place and built a long bored tunnel as promised in 1994 instead of the distracting proposal in 2004 of a cut and cover that wasted huge resources, political energy and time, this conversation would not have been so prolonged and the costs would not have escalated to the extent that they have.
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
Reading List for Andrew Jones, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department
for Transport), who turned down Wally's £7+ billion Deposited within Banks.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2016-03-01c.273.0&u=3440#c34175
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2016-10-03.HL2027.h&u=3440#c34154
Complete History of Stonehenge Excavations
1611. King James I investigated Stonehenge "to see 'The stone which the builders refused.'"
King James Version, 1611
1616. Doctor William Harvey, Gilbert North, and Inigo Jones find horns of stags and oxen, coals, charcoals, batter-dashers, heads of arrows, pieces of rusted armour, rotten bones, thuribulum (censer) pottery, and a large nail.
Long, William, 1876, Stonehenge and its Barrows. The Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, Volume 16
1620. George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham, dug a large hole in the ground at the center of Stonehenge looking for buried treasure. (Diary)
1633-52. Inigo Jones conducted the first 'scientific' surveys of Stonehenge.
Jones, I, and Webb, J, 1655, The most notable antiquity of Great Britain vulgarly called Stone-Heng on Salisbury plain. London: J Flesher for D Pakeman and L Chapman
1640. Sir Lawrence Washington, knight, owner of Stonehenge, fished around Bear's Stone (named after Washington's hound dog). Bear's Stone profile portrait a local 17th century attraction. (G-Diary)
The Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, Volumes 15-16
1652. Reverend Lawrence Washington, heir of Stonehenge, commissions Doctor Garry Denke to dig below Bear's Stone, reveals lion, calf (ox), face as a man, flying eagle, bear (dog), leopard, and hidden relics. Bear's Stone (96) renamed Hele 'to conceal, cover, hide'. (G-Diary)
1653-6. Doctor Garry Denke auger cored below Hele Stone 'The stone which the builders rejected' on various occasions. Gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, bone, concrete discovered at 1-1/3 'yardsticks' (under flying eagle). Elizabeth Washington, heir of Stonehenge.
Denke, G, 1699, G-Diary (German to English by Erodelphian Literary Society of Sigma Chi Fraternity). GDG, 1-666
1666. John Aubrey surveyed Stonehenge and made a 'Review'. Described the Avenue's prehistoric pits. (the 'Aubrey Holes' discovered by Hawley, not Aubrey).
Aubrey, J, 1693 (edited by J Fowles 1982), Monumenta Britannica. Sherborne, Dorset: Dorset Publishing Co
1716. Thomas Hayward, owner of Stonehenge, dug heads of oxen and other beasts. (Diary)
1721-4. William Stukeley surveyed and excavated Stonehenge and its field monuments. Surveyed the Avenue in 1721 extending beyond Stonehenge Bottom to King Barrow Ridge. Surveyed the Cursus in 1723 and excavated.
Stukeley, W, 1740, Stonehenge: a temple restor'd to the British druids. London: W Innys and R Manby
1757. Benjamin Franklin observes Bear's Stone (96) lion, calf (ox), face as a man, flying eagle, bear (dog), leopard, and Hele Stone 'hidden' relics below them. (Diary)
1798. Sir Richard Hoare and William Cunnington dug at Stonehenge under the fallen Slaughter Stone 95 and under fallen Stones 56 and 57.
The Ancient History of Wiltshire, Volume 1, 1812
1805-10. William Cunnington dug at Stonehenge on various occasions.
Cunnington, W, 1884, Guide to the stones of Stonehenge. Devizes: Bull Printer
1839. Captain Beamish excavated within Stonehenge. (Diary)
1874-7. Professor Flinders Petrie produced a plan of Stonehenge and numbered the stones.
Petrie, W M F, 1880, Stonehenge: plans, description, and theories. London: Edward Stanford
1877. Charles Darwin digs at Stonehenge to study 'Sink
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Re: Please sign the petitions against the short tunnel at Stonehenge (Score: 1)
by GarryDenke on Wednesday, 18 January 2017
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.828.0#g852.0
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-01-17a.852.0
"Wally's £7billion+ Deposited within Banks"
Are you kidding? Bibi offered £1T.
http://ijr.com/2015/03/262242-get-know-bibi/
We're negotiating Now.
"Dig", G-D
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